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Starbucks’ Lean Ruins the Experience

I want a caffeine rush, not to be in a rush.

Raissa Carey
Sun, 08/09/2009 - 16:30
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f you’ve been to Starbucks lately, you probably noticed the fast-paced employees working their java magic as they take orders from customers in line, not at the register, so that baristas can start the order, and sometimes finish it, before the customer even pays for it.

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Yes, I’m all for fast and good service, but lately, the Starbucks Experience hasn’t been good. You see, for me Starbucks is a special treat, it’s the place I go to get away from my two cute boys when I need a 20-minute break from motherhood; it’s the place I go to because it smells like intelligence when I need a shot of creativity during the day.

So I go to Starbucks to enjoy the atmosphere, the great background music, and the coffee paraphernalia, among other things. But when I recently entered Starbucks and stared at its mouthwatering menu, not able to decide which of the mochas, or lattes, or scones I was going to buy, a guy behind the counter asked me in a rush that you usually see in fast-food joints, “Can I get you started with anything ma’am?”

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Submitted by Tom Hopper on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 09:51

Starbuck's Lean not so Lean

We would do well to note that one the pillars of Lean is "respect for people," and one of the first, and most important, steps is to define value from the customer's perspective. By not turning to it's front-line employees to understand the root causes of it's financial problems and by substituting "shareholders" for "customers," Starbucks is not so much implementing Lean as it is transforming itself into a McD's competitor.

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Submitted by eric reidenbach on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 09:56

Here's What Happens When You Don't Understand Value

This is a classic example of the application of Lean without the understanding of how your market or markets define value. Lean focuses on cutting non-value adding costs (muda). Good so far. Yet too many organizations do not have clear line of sight to the customer and cut those costs that actually add value to the customer experience. The result is a short term gain in profitability but longer term damage to their competitive value proposition and future profitability. Look before you cut!

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Submitted by Paul CharltonThomson on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 10:05

I'll have a ...

It's kinda like going in to Starbucks ... a coffee house ... and ordering a tall, skinny, non-fat, decaf cappuccino with a skinny blueberry muffin... It's not what Starbucks is about... IMHO. BTW I recently had a trip to Hong Kong / China and I can honestly say that they have the most helpful, kind, sincere and friendly staff I have experienced in a long time... no offence to my local Starbucks here in the UK - you're fab too!!

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Submitted by Profundo on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 10:42

McD Atmosphere

Starbucks is, or was, all about an enjoyable experience. I don't have to pay $5 for a cup of coffee if I want McD atmosphere. I'll just go to a cheaper competitor. Or finds a coffee house that puts relaxation and respite ahead of revenue and run-charts.

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Submitted by mensby on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 10:52

Hurling Rocks at the Glass House

Let me preface this comment with an acknowledgment that I have never had a cup of coffee in my life, so I have watched the Starbucks phenomenon from afar. It sounds to me like Ms. Carey and her peers have defined the Starbucks' operations based on past experience, that their previous pursuit of overpriced java was just fine when the baristas made them the center of attention while being served. Mind you, this is not a criticism of Starbucks patrons, because the old adage of , "Rule #1: the customer is always right," still holds. Rather, I see this as a good lesson regarding lean principles. Applying the 5S methodology does not mean that "quality" will be achieved. No one can argue with the fact that Starbucks has taken the time (and errors) out of the process. However, they seem to have sucked the "value" out at the same time. I am sure they undertook the "lean journey" to stave off the erosion of their stock price, return to profitability, and ensure their continued existence as a publicly-traded company. The senior leadership would be wise to remember, "quality" is, the "totality of features that completely satisfy the customer requirements"--expressed or implied. If the "huddled masses" are looking for an alternative, Micky D's delivers its liquid caffeine at much less cost, and they clearly mark the cup with the fact that, hot coffee is in fact, hot!

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Submitted by mgraban on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:24

Beware jumping to conclusions

There have been a lot of comments online where people have jumped to the following conclusions about Lean at Starbucks. It seems the WSJ only got the story half right (which is what tends to happen with the WSJ and lean).

1) Starbucks isn't ignoring the people side
2) Starbucks isn't turning people into robots
3) Starbucks isn't emphasizing speed over customer experience and quality

Their goal is to free up barista time so they CAN have a pleasant interaction with you and not make a fast food experience.

John Shook, from the LEI, who has worked closely with Starbucks has a blog post about it:

Shook Link

And I blogged about it on my blog:

Graban Link

A lot of what you're seeing - "robotic staff" and people NOT having time to provide good service is exactly what they are getting from NOT being Lean. So I'd suggest the headline of your blog post should be "Lack of Lean Ruins the Starbucks Experience."

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Submitted by Gerry Cronin on Thu, 04/11/2013 - 13:33

In reply to Beware jumping to conclusions by mgraban

Consistancy

Not being a Starbucks devotee, I can not comment on their progress, however, having attended a Lean Training conducted by Starbucks staff, and having been in the high-volume coffee business for several years, I fully appreciate the Starbuck approach to quality, efficiency and respect for staff.  Something that Starbucks pointed out in the training not mentioned in this thread, is that the bravado, techniques or idiosyncracies of the Barista often caused wide inconsistancies in their product; a cappucino in Boston could be a radically different product than a cappucino presented in Tokyo temperature, texture, strength, etc).  Consistency for the customer was a main driver for their implementation of Lean.  Who can fault them on that?

When looking at "respect for the employee", I would consider Panera Bread as the polar opposite of what Starbucks hopes to achieve.  Many Panera stores are fraught with confusion, poor layout, poor workload balance, and workers running to "get", resulting an a carnival-like peformance. I empathise for the worker who is expected to succeed in a disorganized retail setting.  The ultimate customer insult resulting from their processes (or lack thereof) is experienced when, for the simple coffee customer (after the customer is forced to endue this pandmonium), they are handed an empty cup.  Hereinlies the difference in the value proposition between an organization focused on flow, efficiency and consistancy and one focused on ambiance and presentation  alone.

Often in retail, changing a process to solve one problem does impact the customer experience, and some fallout may occur, but it creates additional opportunities.  I don't see Starbucks going the way of JC Penny, however, for those customers who don't like change, there are those who were waiting for it all along.

I guess I need to "go to the Gemba" to see the problems that Lean is causing Starbucks customers.  At least they serve what is expected inside the cup...

"Thank you sir, can I have another..."

Cheers,

Gerry C

 

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Submitted by J Murray Tarter on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:26

Starbucks Lean

I think a large portion of Starbuck's customers want to be in and out yesterday. Those are probably who this initiative is geared towards. I prefer the coffee house experience made famous in Vienna as apparently does the author so I am sympathetic to the issue. As long as the brew staff don't rush the entire visit hopefully we'll be OK.

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Submitted by montevisser on Wed, 08/12/2009 - 18:41

VOC

Ms. Carey, well said and good observations. I visit my neighborhood Star Bucks daily. I see confusion, extended paths and reaches. I see inconsistencies in the application of the order-make-pay-deliver process, many time there is confusion and people running into each other. Being sensitive to waste this hurts my experience. If I flow through the line and to my favorite table, I still have a chance to chat w/ my favorites on duty... and be happier all the more. Cheers!

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Submitted by Jim Schwarz on Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:36

What does the customer want?

The core of TPS to me is the customer - it is intimately linking the customer into what we do. Then removing waste as mentioned in other comments using methodologies developed by other organizations or creating new ones that may fit your unique culture. But non-value added work in a situation like Starbucks is very different than manufacturing. And if the customer and the employees that serve the customer aren’t pulled into the equation up front, it will be another example of Lean completely miss-applied.

My experiences as a customer, I don’t see them honestly asking what does the customer want?? And a diverse group of customers at that – a cookie cutter approach won’t work for them. From the article and my personal observations ordering coffee at Starbucks they aren't looking into what the customer wants and reacting to it. I personally avoid the place as it is pricey, service inconsistent (though I have had a few good experiences) and agree with a German friend of mine – doesn’t serve very good coffee.

Using methodologies to streamline the coffee making at Starbucks is great if I as a customer get something out of it - I haven't seen that. There hasn't been lower prices, free wi-fi, better coffee, or better service. I don't see or feel the atmosphere of a high performing organization using its entire workforce to excel.

Jim Schwarz

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Submitted by resource_shift_guru on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 17:33

Right....

Yes I'm a caffeine junkie and SBX fills that need well.
Actually, I'm impressed with how Starbucks is working at re-inventing their operations/offerings/company.
Let's be fair ...This is no small operation. We all know that developing any strategy AND implementing it is difficult.
My personal experience as a Starbucks customer has been very positive since these changes have been made.
You quality guys need to get out there and adequately SAMPLE the experience before you critique.

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Submitted by MaggieM on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 01:26

Great article! By the way,

Great article! By the way, speaking of music industry, there was a huge stink at the MTV Awards– probably because Kanye West has lost his mind.

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